Dendroaspis ([info]nightflight99) wrote in [info]herpers,

Necropsy pics

I don't normally post these kind of images in anywhere outside of my own journal, but perhaps some of this information may be beneficial to other keepers, or at the very least it will provide for some diversity among the regular posts.

These pictures are of a couple of necropsies I conducted of two juvenile king cobras (Ophiophagus hannah) and an adult red spitting cobra (Naja pallida).

The two juvenile O. hannah belonged to a dealer/keeper, who had acquired ten captive-bred hatchlings, which he was now force-feeding pinkie mice. After one such force-feeding session, he found five specimens dead the following day. My initial thought was that he force-fed prey items that were too large for the animals to handle, but he insisted that they had been able to digest the same size of prey previously. I took two of the specimens for a necropsy.



The necropsy of the two O. hannah confirmed that death was almost certainly caused by "pinkie overload". The pinkies were far too large for the snakes, and one was stuck in one of the specimens' throat, as it was clearly attempting to regurgitate it. Young snakes dying from being (force-) fed oversized prey items is not as rare as one might expect. I have seen similar cases in young vipers, which are not nearly as constrained with regard to body girth as a young elapid is. It is always better to feed smaller prey items, and not necessarily at shorter intervals, but that is another issue altogether.

The third specimen to undergo a necropsy was an adult breeder female red spitting cobra (Naja pallida). This animal had been part of my stock since it was a juvenile, and has been a productive and reliable breeder over the years. After he last clutch in 2006, she showed what appeared to be a widening of her reproductive tract. This seemed to be an artifact of gravidity involving a fairly large-sized clutch with very large eggs. She continued to feed well and behaved normally, until just a few weeks ago, when she suddenly developed a severe posterior spinal deformity. Usually, those types of deformities are caused by severe physical injuries, such as snakes being beaten or crushed by heavy objects. In this case, such an injury can be ruled out with confidence, except perhaps some bizarre and highly unlikely scenario of a self-inflicted injury involving her water container. The deformity and associated paralysis was progressive, and it seemed clear that there was no hope for this specimen. In fact, despite her ability to pass uric acids, it seemed risky to continue feeding her, as the passing of large amounts of feces could prove difficult, to say the least.

We euthanized the animal by lethal injection, and subsequently conducted a full necropsy. Even though the snake had not been fed in a couple of months, it had fat reserves that were more than adequate for gravidity. This was another good example of how conservative captive diets for reptiles should aim to be, in order to avoid vast accumulations of fat tissue and the associated reduced longevity.


The posterior spinal kinks looked even worse in vivo.




The abundance of fat tissue serves as a reminder that most captive reptiles are overfed, and suffer the associated decrease in longevity.


A ruptured kidney.


Abberant follicles. She may have been in the process of reabsorbing them.


Healthy follicles look much more dense and white-yellowish in coloration.

As usual, this necropsy was merely able to provide small cues regarding the cause of the deformity. At this point, it seems plausible that blood clots pinched nerves, which led to paralysis. We don't yet know specifically how the ruptured kidney and abberant follicles fit into this, but hopefully the histology will provide more clues to the puzzle. Both the kidney and the follicles have been sent in for sectioning.



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[info]kiffie

August 6 2007, 07:56:04 UTC 4 years ago

I'm sorry for the loss of your female. Something that sudden and severe was probably unpleasant to deal with. :/

Good photos, though. Think us less internal-bits savvy could get a few that are labeled, so we know where things are? :3

[info]hobbitblue

August 6 2007, 10:22:03 UTC 4 years ago

Um, could you lj-cut those first two as well please, with a warning? Not necessarily squeamish about such things but unexpected dissected animals popping up on my flist is not my idea of comfortable breakfast reading :(

[info]annabanana6

August 6 2007, 11:02:08 UTC 4 years ago

This is the best post to this group that I have seen so far. It is refreshing to see someone so dedicated to their animals that they would perform these tasks (and know what to look for!). Not only that but you seem to have gone in to it with the expectation of learning something new that may aid you in the care of future snakes...just bravo, this made me so happy this morning... (Iam a Biology major after all lol)

[info]shrijani

August 6 2007, 12:15:38 UTC 4 years ago

Next time, please put all the images behind a cut. They're very large, and would not have elected to view them at all, given the option. I think you had a sense you shouldn't have left any of them before the cut -- next time, follow that inclination.

[info]ellie_desu

August 6 2007, 13:12:53 UTC 4 years ago

Please please please please LJ cut. This is so not what I was wanting to see when skimming through my friends page.

That being said, interesting stuff.

Please LJ cut all pictures in the future!

[info]joyfulgirl02

August 6 2007, 14:08:36 UTC 4 years ago

This is very interesting. Thanks for posting!

I'm curious to know what the cobra was being fed and how often in order to accumulate so much fatty tissue?

[info]nightflight99

August 6 2007, 17:17:47 UTC 4 years ago

I'm curious to know what the cobra was being fed and how often in order to accumulate so much fatty tissue?

Interestingly enough, that specimen was maintained on a relatively conservative diet, once it reached adulthood. The feeding records show a schedule that included one 45-65g rat every 10-14 days, with slightly shorter intervals preceding brumation. Elapids have a relatively high metabolism, and as such require a slightly less conservative feeding schedule than, say, vipers or boids. Nonetheless, the fact that this specimen had plentiful fat tissues, despite not having fed for some time, is quite telling about how relatively little food is required to sustain an adult snake.

[info]joyfulgirl02

August 7 2007, 03:36:27 UTC 4 years ago

Very interesting and also good to know.
Just reading that captive snakes can become obese doesn't tell the average person much. It's nice to see it first hand.

I've posted a link to this on a forum I'm a regular of so others can see it.


[info]mooingtricycle

August 8 2007, 17:51:53 UTC 4 years ago

Very interesting, and what a great post!

So basically once every two weeks is healthier for Boids than say, once a week. ( for adults) is what you are seeing? Heck even a little longer somtimes?
But things such as, say, a bullsnake Would do better on a less conservative feeding regimen being once every 7-10 days since they have a higher metabolism than others?

This is definitely interesting stuff, and, if you do this regularly would you be willing to post pictures and information more often? It would be really great if you did :)

Would you be willing to look at this stuff species by species? ( if you could find recently dead specimens? ( NO DONT KILL SNAKES JUST BECAUSE! :) KTHX!)
or... if you have, do you have a list and your findings? *would be so coool!*

[info]nightflight99

August 8 2007, 21:02:51 UTC 4 years ago

Re: Very interesting, and what a great post!

So basically once every two weeks is healthier for Boids than say, once a week. ( for adults) is what you are seeing? Heck even a little longer somtimes?

Exactly. Adult boids have a very slow metabolism, and will quickly put on immense amounts of fat tissue if they are overfed. The ideal feeding schedule will vary by species, as well as by type and size of prey items being fed. In the wild, snakes do not sit in a box until a prekilled rat dangles above their head once a week. Wild specimens may feed twice within ten days, then eat nothing for ten weeks. It is a matter of availability and success, two factors that hardly apply to captive conditions. So keep your adult animals on a conservative diet, and - all other factors being equal - they will live a longer and healthier life. As a bonus, they will also be more likely to mate successfully.

But things such as, say, a bullsnake Would do better on a less conservative feeding regimen being once every 7-10 days since they have a higher metabolism than others?

Colubrids tend to be more active, and thus metabolize prey faster than boids. However, keep in mind that Colubrids are not a natural group (i.e. it is an artificial classification that contains multiple lineages that are actually quite distinct from each other), so there is a lot of diversity contained within that family. For example, while a racer or coachwhip have an especially high metabolism, other colubrids may not. The feeding schedule of your animals should therefore reflect their metabolism.

This is definitely interesting stuff, and, if you do this regularly would you be willing to post pictures and information more often?

Perhaps, although I'm not sure that this community is the right place for it. Some of the members here don't seem to appreciate graphic dissection accounts, despite the obvious learn factor involved. I also don't conduct necropsies all the time, as deaths in my collection are (thankfully) relatively infrequent. However, I will consider posting interesting necropsy information when I do come across them.

Would you be willing to look at this stuff species by species?

Its not really necessary to conduct necropsies by species to infer valuable information. Clades of snakes tend to be phenotypically similar enough to allow for some reasonable inductions. For example, I don't have to look at each species within the genus Naja (true cobras) to know that captive specimens are prone to retaining large amounts of fat tissue, despite their relatively high metabolism.

If you ever have any questions regarding feeding schedules or anything else, please do not hesitate to ask.

[info]cutest_sandgirl

August 7 2007, 00:11:36 UTC 4 years ago

So sorry for your loss and such a shame that the breeder overfed those juvies. :(

[info]november_love

August 7 2007, 14:47:16 UTC 4 years ago

Fascinating pictures. Thanks for sharing.

[info]darkmaya

August 10 2007, 23:48:21 UTC 4 years ago

I would be very interested to know what the histology showed on these reports. I am a histotechnologist that is aspiring to one day work in veterinary research, specifically for IBD research.

Thanks for posting these.
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